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  1. This strikes me as very weird… I’ve never before encountered anyone who had any complaint with the finale of Raiders for any reason. I find it all, from Belloq’s obsession with opening the Ark to the smiting of the Nazis to the final denouement of the Ark being crated and hidden, perfectly organic to the story and in line with all the foreshadowing that’s come before. (I’ll admit to never being troubled by Indy’s realization that he and Marion can’t look — guess I just chalked it up to him being the expert on these things, and less consumed by ego than Belloq.) The occult/mystical/magical stuff isn’t “wedged into” the Indy movies… that stuff is, in large part, the definition of the Indy movies. The “scary mystical stuff” is the reason why the bad guys want the various macguffins in the first place, whether it’s Nazis after the Ark or Mola Ram wanting the Sankara Stones, and without it, Indy’s just another guy digging up potsherds. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that; real archeology is cool and all, it just wouldn’t make for a very exciting movie.)

    Good point about Last Crusade, incidentally. And for the record, I like Temple of Doom and yes, it (along with Gremlins, which came out the same summer) led to the creation of the PG-13 rating. Let the debate commence on how well that has turned out…

  2. FWIW- Last Crusade is my favorite of the three IJ films.

  3. I think the reason The Final Conflict can be considered a fantastic score is not because it “saves” the movie (it certainly doesn’t), but because, when divorced from the movie, it can be listened to and enjoyed on its own terms. Because the movie sure didn’t do it any favors.

  4. Melting Nazis. Gross but boring. Angel of Death. Not even spectacular special effects for its time. And boring. Marian and Indy standing there with their eyes shut trying to look scared and impressed. Boring.

    I’d have had the freighter crew come back to help Indy take out the Nazis. Would have explained how Indy and Marian got off the island too. The ark could have melted the Gestapo guy at the end, if you really needed all that hocus pocus made explicit.

    And I gave Lucas plenty of credit for Star Wars, at least half, even two thirds. Williams is a better composer of film scores than Lucas is a director, that’s not so hard to admit, is it?

    J, you can like these movies without their having to have been great.

  5. Boring? Lance, I have no wish to pick a fight or anything, but I simply do not understand how you can say that. Granted, everyone’s mileage varies and my opinions have no doubt baffled hundreds, er, dozens (well, all right, maybe three, since that’s about how many readers I have), but for me that “hocus pocus made explicit” is completely the pay-off for all the lead-up throughout the movie, all the talking about the power of the Ark, the threat of the Nazis getting their hands on it, etc. Would you really have preferred that the Ark turn out to be nothing more than an empty gold box? Or that we simply never open it, that Indy and the freighter crew (in your scenario) just reclaim it and hand it over to Porkins? What would the pay-off of that be?

    Really, I’m curious and trying to understand your position here…

  6. Jason, watched it lately?

    Boring as in static and unsuspenseful and not particularly well-shot or staged. Every shot goes on too long. The Nazis spend way too much time gaping and screaming before melting. The soldiers stand there obviously looking at nothing while the Angel of Death whooshes around being an obvious special effect. And Indy and Marion have nothing to do.

    I’d have preferred something more subtle. I thought it was really cool when the ark burns the swastika off the crate.

    Also the ending depends on Indy having finally had no real plan and just doing something stupid to get himself caught.

    But I loved the movie anyway. I’m real surprised by the intensity of the defense of the ending, not just by Jaquandor and folks here but by some commenters over at my place. You’d think I’d suggested that it was a bad idea for Indy to wear the hat.

  7. There’s a certain extent to which debating stuff like this is useless; if you’re bored by the ending, that’s that. I think it was Gene Siskel who said something to the effect that debating what’s erotic and what isn’t boils down to one guy trying to talk the other out of his erection, and well, that’s a pretty useless order.

    But I have to admit, Lance, that I do find some of your suggestions for a “better” ending to RAIDERS faulty. Having the freighter guys show up? From where? How would they know where to go? Why would they go there? How would they take out a bunch of fully-armed Nazi soldiers? This would end up seeming like a James Bond ending in which our hero mounts an assault on the enemy fortress along with his Ally of the Movie.

    Second, your complaint about Indy not having had a real plan — when in any Indiana Jones movie does Indy have any plan at all? Indy doesn’t plan things. That’s a pretty important bit of character, there. If he suddenly had this wonderfully thought out scenario to take out a hundred Nazis and reclaim the Ark, it would have rung very hollow.

    I also think that looking for a more subtle ending is wrong-headed. The whole movie points to the Ark not being a subtle thing; if it had simply killed a single Nazi at the end without being opened, it would have made the Ark look like a pop-gun.

    Finally, complaining about special effects in a movie that’s twenty-seven years old strikes me as unfair, but I think the effects work pretty well and hold up today, and I think the scene is well-shot and well-staged.

  8. Regarding Indy’s rant at the end: So, they take the last option that makes any sense: they seal it away themselves, someplace secret and safe.

    I got the sense from the way they showed us the final treatment of the ark that it was being shoved in a dark corner of some sprawling non-descript storage warehouse of random artifacts and junk to be neglected and forgotten. It never seemed to me that the ark was safe, and that it was only secret in the hidden in plain sight sense. But it made sense for the arc (sorry) of the movie that the Powers That Be, even the supposed good guys, don’t respect the ark or its worth beyond what it can or can’t do for them. It served as an excellent contrast for the journey Indy took in that movie and as a nice thematic touch just before the credits rolled.

  9. Hmm, that was the Angel of Death? I always thought it was the Spirit of God. I am under the impression that the Bible says that to look upon the Face of God means, well, death.

  10. OK, so I actually went back last night and watched Raiders again. Early in the film, the Army Intelligence guys show up, and Indy demonstrates his vast archaeological knowledge, by pulling out a big book with an illustration of the Ark in action…”Power of God”, Indy says.

    What doesn’t quite add up is Indy’s sudden realization that he and Marion will be safe as long as they shut their eyes and refuse to look openly on the power of the Ark. How did he know? Was it pure intuition?

    So, for this, either we have to rely upon the Bible (Exodus 33:20 as it turns out), or the novelization, I guess.

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