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  1. May I remind his majesty that turning right on red is optional. Thus one is well within their rights to sit through the red light in its entirty and THEN make a right turn.

    Since I on occasion exercise my right to sit through the entire red light I thought it best to forewarn your highness before I or my brethren "light sitters" find ourselves before you at said traffic light.

    Thee earl of obvious
  2. I agree completely and I have another pet peeve to add to yours: people who turn short so that when they're turning the corner instead of staying in their lane through the whole turn they cut across the turn lane.

    About right on red – I suppose you could say it's "optional" but if it's safe to go it's reasonable to expect you to go.

    The light coming out of our local Wal-mart has a "No Right Turn On Red" sign and I don't know how many times I turned right on red before I noticed the sign. Now I always hate sitting at that light because I worry that the person behind me hasn't noticed the sign yet and is thinking, "Why doesn't that idiot go ahead and go?"

  3. Turning right on red may be "optional", but if you're not even turning right at that intersection, then acting in a way that robs others of the option is to behave like a dick. And besides, at this point, going right on red — unless specifically forbidden at specific intersections by law — is so ingrained at this point as to have become a reasonable expectation, isn't it? To sit at a light when one could turn, in an instance where one is actually turning, and to sit at that light for no particularly compelling reason other than "Yeah, I just don't wanna turn right on red just this once", is also, in my estimation, a maneuver of High Dickishness.

    Basically, the only time I think it's acceptable to not turn right on red if one is actually planning to turn are: local law has ruled that intersection out for right-on-red purposes; traffic is too heavy to turn safely; one's vehicle has been legally declared as not right-on-red eligible (schoolbuses, frex); one is towing something or has some compelling reason not to turn right on red but instead wait for the green. Sitting a light on a whim? Pagh!

  4. Absorbing stuff! Funny, I live in the land of roundabouts – England – well, of endless traffic lights too. My problem with roundabouts is they are based on directional priority rather than temporal priority. If there is a dominant stream of traffic coming from the right (your left), it can be impossible to enter, so they put up traffic lights to interrupt the priority streams. No, I prefer the idea of the all-way yield, or filter-in-turn, because to my mind it's fairer, safer, and probably supremely efficient once peoplke get the hang of it. But there you go bringing up objections! I'm pushing for a live trial to test the various options. Martin Cassini, FiT Roads

  5. Sire?! You are demeaning the rule of law when you let lore supersede written law.

    When I lived in NJ the driving act that became "ingrained" in the common psyche is the quick left. People felt entitled to turn left (without the green arrow mind you) immediately after the light turned green and in front of the other drivers who were legally proceeding straight.

    This soon evolved into 2 sometimes three cars making the immediate left. The rational for such behavior is high levels of traffic and ingrained repeated behavior.

    If you have never seen it before it is quite disturbing to see a car make a left in front of you when you have the right of way.

    As a red light sitter I feel I am doing my part to remind people what is legal and what is expected are two different things. Scowls and scorn that emit from the rearview mirror must be encountered and ignored if one is develop character and independent thought.

    Geesz, am I a dick?

    Thee Earl of Obvious
  6. The "quick left" exists in Albany, NY. Drivers with the right of way (i.e., going straight coming from the opposite direction) have been trained to yield.

    As for right on red, it'd help a lot in Albany if drivers would 1) come to a complete stop as they are supposed to (people with cell phones are the worst in this regard, I've noticed and 2) yield to pedestrians – one corner in particular I have trouble crossing because of it.

    It's the drivers who are the dicks in Albany.

  7. Couple gripes:

    – One of the biggest peeves of mine is when people turn into the wrong lane of a multi-lane road. If you're taking a right onto a two-lane road, you turn into the right lane. If you need to get left, you then put on your left blinker and merge. If you're turning left onto a two-lane road, you turn into the left lane. In theory, a car could do a left on a green arrow at the same time an opposing car does a right on red onto the same road and everything should be fine. I never do it because I can't trust that the other driver will do their part.

    2) Regarding the "No you go ahead" wave. If you think it's irritating as a driver, it's even worse as a bicyclist. I realize that when I'm on my bike I behave like a vehicle as I am a part of the traffic flow. Sure I'll do a rolling stop through a Stop sign if there are no other cars around, but otherwise I try to act like a car. So when I get to a three or four-way stop after a car has already stopped, I wait. But sometimes (actually, quite often) the driver waits and waives me on. NO! You got there first, I am another vehicle, you go! Often I intentionally do not make eye contact and wait. And don't get me started on the time a car actually came to a dead stop while already in a traffic circle to wave me in ahead!

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