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  1. I think he's a long time getting to it, but Brienne has got to have SOMETHING important coming up to do. GRRM's affinity is really for characters who seem like they have no place, and those are the characters he keeps hinting are going to reshape and heal Westeros. Tyrion, Arya, Jon Snow, Brienne, even Daenerys. I figure Brienne can't just be about suffering, but GRRM's taking a long, long time to get to whatever it might be.

  2. I like it better when I read your thoughts than when I read it myself 🙂

    I find Martin's attitude towards sex scenes to be kind of indicative of the whole fantasy role of women, and find that distasteful. But then, I'm a woman and I don't particularly like fantasy, so there you go.

  3. Yeah, I have a hard time with that. On the one hand, he's striving for a somewhat authentic depiction of a medieval society (as 'authentic' as one can be when there are dragons about), so it's not as if he can have totally liberated women going around. He has to find ways to depict strong women in ways that are still in keeping with the type of society he is writing about.

    But on the other hand, he indulges a lot of graphic sex scenes, and he uses the infamous 'C'-word a lot. I don't know…he has only a couple of females in these books who don't use sex in order to gain power over men, and in one case, he makes it clear over and over that this is because the woman is pretty ugly (so who'd wanna have sex with her, am I right!), and in the other, well, the character is a child who hasn't 'flowered' yet. (That's the actual term for it.)

    I honestly can't figure out what to make of Martin's treatment of women in these books. Or in fantasy in general, since I don't read nearly as much fantasy as I used to…and lately, when I do, I find myself not liking it all that much.

    Interestingly, Jacqueline Carey's 'Kushiel' series is also deeply sexual, but for some reason, the sexual material in that one doesn't grate nearly as much as Martin's. I can't help noticing that the genders of the authors may be a factor….

  4. Have you read "A Feast for Crows" yet? Brienne doesn't use sex to get power.

    GRRM's female characters lack depth, other than Sansa, and her depth is more of the "emo" kind.

    I cannot get through "A Dance with Dragons." I know piles that have, but it reminds me of the way that the Hannibal series evolved"

    Red Dragon: "Holy cow, this is awesome."

    Silence of the Lambs: "Omigosh. This is probably one of my favorite books of all time. How awesome is Harris, seriously? Absolutely the coolest characters ever devised."

    Hannibal: "Ooooh… not so good… kinda just… 'Hey! You think Hannibal is cool? How about I stick a whole bunch of coolness in a blender with Hannibal and make a Hannibal cool smoothie out of it.' Not very good. Not very imaginative."

    Hannibal Rising: "Oh… lord… please stop. Please… just… stop…" Could not get through it.

    Same thing is happening with A Song of Ice and Fire, I fear.

  5. May be indeed.

    I appreciate your thoughts, and agree.

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