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  1. I might do this list myself even though it might be "embarrassing" because I've read so few of them.

    I highly recommend Childhood's End. It's not a fun book to read – rather, in the mind-blowing/disturbing category – but I can certainly understand why it's in the canon.

  2. I've positive that I read ONE book on that list-the Atwood book. Now, I've read comic book and other adaptations of several, saw movies of others – loved Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court w Danny Kaye. I may have read the Verne stuff, but not positive. Tried, really tried reading Stranger in a Strange Land when I was 19 (I remember because I had had a car accident just before that) – got to page 60 or so.

  3. You haven't read DUNE? I am shocked. Stunned even. Here I am rambling on about Mu'dib and the Freeman and the SPICE, my god man, THE SPICE, and you just smiled and nodded your head knowingly. I won't even go into Douglas Adams. I need to be alone now to contemplate this news.

  4. I'll grab this as well. A couple of comments:
    I'm a fan of David Brin. I recommend The Postman – try to forget the Costner movie and give the book a shot. As for The Uplift War, are you aware that is the third book of a trilogy? Thought you should know.

    re: Card – I read much of his stuff years ago – long before I was ever aware of his nutty political views. I quite like most of his early work, and highly recommend the Ender series (at least the original three or four books, anyway.)

    You haven't read Dune? Really? Wow!

    Forget everything I said above. If you're going to pick one author from this list to read for the first time, make it Vonnegut.

    I have read Battlefield Earth. Yes, I am embarrassed.

  5. I just read Stranger in a Strange Land for my book club a couple of months ago. If you want to discuss it via email (or something) once you've read it, I'd be willing.

  6. I'm not a Sci-Fi reader, but my mom, Dh and oldest are so I'm familar with a lot of these.

    Even not being a Sci-Fi reader, I've read 9 of them, and highly recommend a couple (Time Traveler's Wife and Handmaid's Tale) as well as the Bradbury, of course.

    What did Card do? I missed his nuttiness, apparently. I've read a couple of his books (Sarah and Enchantment) – and he's very LDS in his writing, but not political.

  7. Yeah, to get the Uplift War, you should really read the first two books of that trilogy. But they are really quite amazing.

    I am sort of embarrassed at having liked Stranger, mostly because it led me into the random goofiness of Heinlein's last books. I was going to say "awfulness," but that's too weak a word for someone obsessed with bonking his own granddaughter.

  8. To be honest, the Brin books (Sundiver, Startide Rising, and The Uplift War) can probably be read as stand alone novels. They are all part of a larger story arc, but each is its own, independant story. Of the three, I enjoyed Startide Rising the most.

  9. No Poul Anderson? No Gordon Dickson? No L. Sprague de Camp? No Andre Norton? No Don A. Stuart? No Henry Kuttner? No Hal Clement? No Fritz Leiber? No Clifford Simak?

    This is one seriously flawed list. (a) It's not representative of the actual genre of SF as it developed over the last 100 or 150 years. (b) It's not — to my mind — a list of the best or most significant SF works in terms of affect on the genre. (c) It's not — again, to my mind — actually a list of the SF works with the greatest literary merit.

    Let me add as well that I think isolating science fiction from modern fantasy is a pointless exercise since the people who read (or write) books from either of these genres usually read (or write) the other. Surely in any just world Mervyn Peake would have been on that list, surely J. R. R. Tolkein, surely Guy Gavriel Kay!

    (And, oh yes, I've knocked off 73 of these works, over 63 years.)

    -mike shupp

  10. Mimi: Card's LDS doesn't bother me one whit, but his VERY right-wing views do. He's been railing against gays for years now, which really does not sit well with me. He's also a global warming denialist, and in one article I once read, he referred to former VP Al Gore as "pond scum". So I've scratched him forever from my "to read" pile.

    Everyone shocked that I haven't read DUNE: Yeah, I know. I think I may read it next.

    Everyone shocked that I haven't read HITCH HIKER: Yeah, I know. I think I'll read it after DUNE!

    On THE UPLIFT WAR: I've read SUNDIVER, which I liked. Still haven't read STARTIDE RISING, though. Maybe after HITCH HIKER!

  11. Hmm, re: Card: I haven't read any of his scifi. I started to read Ender's Game but lost interest. I've read some of his columns. Let's just say he's a Mormon and I'm not. I haven't read any of his "railings" against gays but I tend to avoid stuff like that – life is too short.

    I will tell you though: I'm a global warming denialist too. Or actually, I'm someone who believes that the climate of the earth is very complex, and that we don't know enough about it to start running about in a panic like chickens without heads. Many of the problems attributed to global warming could just as well have been caused by other things (for example, the flooding in Bangladesh could simply be due to the fact that most of that country is giant river delta, and the "disappearing" islands are just eroded away by the naturally changing water patterns of sea and river).

    As for Al Gore, I don't think much of someone who preaches against energy consumption because supposedly our huge use of electricity is harming the earth, but who does this while flying about in jet planes, and who lives in a huge mansion, and who buys an even bigger one on the fragile California coast. So while I wouldn't call him "scum"…

  12. Andrea: Two things. First, I generally find the "We can't possibly understand something so complex!" argument deeply flawed, if not outright silly. Climate is complex, but then, so are biology, quantum physics, plate tectonics, stellar astronomy, and virtually every other science out there whose findings people don't object to on the basis of "complexity". Making sense of complex systems is what science does, and whenever I encounter that line of logic directed at the current findings of climate scientists, I'm amazed that anyone thinks that a serious basis on which to question an overwhelming consensus that exists because of rigorous study, predictive testing, and every other tool that science brings to bear.

    As for Gore's supposed "hypocrisy", well…to reduce his entire message to "Use of electricity harms the planet!" is to miss his point(s) to such a staggering degree that it makes discussion well nigh impossible. Gore has never argued that "electricity" harms the planet; what he has argued is that many of our current means of generating energy for our ever-increasingly energy-dependent society are harmful. That's a completely different beast.

    Gore has also never argued that we need to crank back time so we're all living in the 1600s, so to hold him to some kind of weird "You fly around a lot!" standard is utterly bizarre. How seriously would anyone take him if he suddenly announced that he would rely on horse-drawn carriages for all of his land travel and upon wind-propelled ships for crossing the oceans? I frankly doubt you'd take him any more seriously than you do now. The notion that there is some kind of serious disconnect between Gore's overall message and his behavior doesn't hold nearly as much water as the people who dislike him seem to think it does.

  13. Um, I didn't say "we can't ever understand something so complex," I said we don't understand it enough now. Please don't misrepresent what I said very clearly in my comment. I am sure we will learn more about the weather system of this planet and of many more planets as the years go on, but to act as if "the science is settled" (which is what many global warming proselytizers are acting like) based on partial knowledge at best is what is ridiculous.

    Also, I don't reduce Al's "message" — he does. I find his presentation and claims very simplistic. And yes I do call him a hypocrite: he does not live at all like he believes our methods of energy production are harmful — if he did he would have taken steps to make his lifestyle more in tune with energy-saving green methods that already exist. But someone who — yes — jets around the globe to make presentations in person when we have an entire global internet where he could make almost as much of an impact (and tie up less traffic in the physical streets of the cities he goes to, and so on), and to purchase a 9 million dollar mansion in Montesino, California, when he already owns a huge place in Tennessee, and to lecture us little people on how we need to lower our energy consumption… does this not look bad to you? Gore is like those televangelists who preach Christian duty on tv and the go off and spend all the money they got in donations on hookers and booze. He is a hypocrite. There is no other word for it.

    I will tell you something. You know who I admire in the Green lifestyle movement? Ed Begley Jr. I may not agree with a lot of what he believes, but he walks the walk. Gore doesn't.

    But what I think about Gore's hypocrisy doesn't have anything to do with what I think about global warming. They are two separate things. Even if Gore had sold his mansion and moved his family into a modest home run entirely via solar panels and other "green" solutions, I'd still question many of the claims made by global warming proponents. I don't base my beliefs on how other people act.

  14. I don't see it as a misrepresentation of what you said; sorry if you do. But I always find that line of argument deeply questionable. On what possible basis do you claim sufficient expertise to be able to deny a certain scientific consensus? If the legions of climate scientists who are alarmed at global warming are getting it wrong, how do YOU claim to know this? On what basis do you justify the claim that the science is "partial" at best? The scientists don't think the science is partial.

    As for Al Gore…I don't give a rip about what he owns or doesn't own, or what town in California he owns it in, and your entire post strikes me as little more than axe-grinding. That he owns two houses — so what? Does that make him wrong? Where is all this "little people" rhetoric of his? I sure haven't seen it. "Gore owns a big house!" So? "Gore bought another big house!" So? When has Gore ever argued against people owning things? And I don't care if he flies a lot. There are many, many people in this world whose lines of work involve flying a lot; Gore is one of them. So what? Insisting he not fly is just stupid. The notion that he could be just as effective as Ed Begley Jr if he just sat at home in a tiny house is ludicrous; Ed Begley Jr is, to be blunt, nowhere near as big a name as Al Gore.

    I'm not interested in discussing this further; this isn't even on-topic for this particular blog post. The post is about science fiction books, and I'm not interested in sparring with the denialist crowd.

  15. "I don't see it as a misrepresentation of what you said; sorry if you do."

    You know what? I don't care what you think. You don't get to reinterpret my words to fit your own agenda. I did NOT say that we will "never understand" the complex weather systems of this planet, and anyone reading MY comment can tell that. YOU are the one who made that up.

    Discussing this further with you is clearly useless. I don't debate with people who try to twist my words.

  16. Oh, spare me your self-righteous indignation. You're the one who picked the fight on my blog.

    And I stand by my representation of your position, based on my experience with denialists. I'll bet any sum of money that I can bear that the next ten, twenty, thirty years can elapse, and no matter how much evidence climatologists present buttressing their already well-backed findings that human activity is a significant contributor to global warming, you will still be saying, "Well, golly gee, we don't understand it well enough yet." You may not have openly said the words "We'll never understand it", but the likelihood of our understanding climate ever reaching a point where you will say "OK, yeah, we're a big factor in the warming" is almost certainly zero. I've been discussing this topic with denialists for years, and they're like creationists in their tendency to keep moving the goalposts. If you want to whine that somehow you're a special denialist, well, call me skeptical and unconvinced.

    And on my blog, I get to interpret whatever I want however I want. So piss off. I will neither publish nor even read any further comments from you.

    Thread's still open, for anyone wanting to talk about science fiction books.

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