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  1. I think I'm going to stick to watching the TV program (when I can)…seems easier than what you describe.

  2. The TV series has toned down the sex in their second season and I'm absolutely grateful for it. I sat there the whole first season watching Daenerys first with Viserys then with Khal Drogo and thought wow, that man really knows how to write about women in abusive relationships. And what makes it worse is that this isn't his intent.
    I still like the series, but there's so much room for improvement there…

  3. I do (vaguely) understand why you keep reading; I've done the same with TV shows I should have abandoned. In fact, I had a lengthy conversation with my friend Fred Hembeck, who has almost NEVER quit a show. Whereas I DID quit 24, when I decided it was too …intense and – is crypto-fascist the term I want? – for me.

  4. Oh, and I loathed the passage as much as you.

  5. Roger: I'm glad you hated it. I was actually a little bit afraid that I was just being a prude, but I don't think so…I'm reading a Christopher Moore novel now, and his approach to Teh Sex is really refreshing after that.

  6. After reading, and being completely shocked, by that exact scene with Asha in Dance, I immediately searched the internet to see if other GRRM fans were as disgusted as I was. Sadly, this is one of these only reviews that even mentions it!! I would have for sure thought that this would have been a big deal to other readers. However, I think the fact that she was raped was "accepted" or "ignored" by most people because "she eventually liked it" and that is just not OK with me. It''s irresponsible of GRRM to portray rape as OK if the girl "likes it eventually". He even shows that Asha is "too weak" to make do on her promise of killing Qarl in his sleep and instead he shows her remorse by giving him a blow job and riding him again. There is no doubt that a lot of GRRM's readers are young men, and to basically show rape as being OK, only goes on to further encourage such disgusting and terrible behavior.

  7. I've got to agree with you entirely on Martin's inability to bring anything to a resolution; it's a continuing morass of shifting relationships and factions. Danerys has regressed into a shadow of her former potential, and Tyrion has been the only character to show any real backbone. I'm caught in the momentum too, and will read until the last book, but I too will not buy any more of them.

  8. I just read this one, sorry for bumping your review up to the top.
    I agree, wholeheartedly. I was excited to begin as I assumed that we'd be going forward with the characters that I enjoyed who had been missing from the previous tome. However, there was little to no plot movement in this one, and so many characters I had no clue who they were or why they were now narrating.
    Also, I agree, that scene was awful. The treatment of women's sexuality is so abhorrent in this series. Blarg

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